True. It's ok if you like 'that' sound. Get either the target Morrison Hotel CD or the Audio Fidelity. We specialize in vinyl records and turntables. The latest in this long history is a double-blind test that, the authors conclude, demonstrates that 44. Music; Vinyl Records; 45 RPM Vinyl Record; Fleetwood Mac - Rumours. I much prefer CD to SACD. So far I had different results. Head Gear. (Warner 3010-2, mastering credit: Perry, Caillat) for 9. psulioninks Forum Resident Thread Starter. Nantes, France. Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by fluffskul, Apr 26, 2012. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. Joined Mar. Fourth - 45 rpm vinyl . 24. It's not exactly chopped liver sonically as I recall, but I will likely go for the MFSL SACD as well, if only to get a nice redbook to boot. I'm generally rather selective about my SACD purchases and only have about 25-30SACD recordings now although I plan to order a lot more as more and more reissues come out. Seems like for PG3 one should definitely get Classic Records Vinyl, for PG1 SACD gets closer to vinyl, but still the vinyl has upper hand. - John SunierMoody Blues "Question of bal. But I do own the original US CD and '93 remaster, along with the vinyl which is a skip-fest sadly. The other thing to keep in mind is that SACD is a format in its infancy. Vinyl. SACD has given me some great listening moments. Also, do you think SACD has good future in the massive market? I also posted this thread in the "digital" seecion, sorry about that but some people only enter to this section. Hello everybody. All Activity; My Activity Streams . The internet has not only changed. 1 layer is very good, but the SACD layer has smoother high frequencies (violins, oboe) and better transient attack (tympani). some of the older quadrophonic recordings now being reissued), or are pieces which were designed for surround sound (e. Nevertheless, the advantages are obviously. Tom Favata, Apr 9, 2021. Then I bought the new SACD version. It may still engage me more, even if the SQ overall is not as pristine as an SACD. I want the best sound. A vinyl record vs a SACD is very very close. Given the same mastering, vinyl is still better than redbook. Gooey black bag houses an extremely high quality record sleeve with postcards, posters, 320 kbps MP3 download and sturdy inner sleeve and a very nice vinyl record in a plastic sleeve. Cardioid microphones are a good choice for general-purpose recording and live sound reinforcement, while supercardioid microphones are better suited for more challenging environments where there is a lot of ambient noise and the sound source needs to be isolated more tightly. Every time. Shawn, Dec 8, 2012. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. 6%. They are not cheap but not the most expensive of the DCC discs. As noted in my previous post [link], the Forum didn’t want to pay the $. For vinyl releases, I have this pressing, a MFSL pressing and a late 70's/early 80's US pressing (which is now pretty worn) and I prefer the MFSL version. )I don't have the SACD (it's too expensive and I'm only capable of stereo). Low Noise Floor: SACDs tend to have a lower noise floor compared to vinyl records, which means less background noise or surface noise during playback. Please login or register an accountlogin or register an accountThere was a comparison of this sacd against a vinyl record (first printing). Australia. 1kHz/16-bit digital audio is indistinguishable from high-resolution digital. The SACD I found is always better, that’s if you have the right SACD player like the DMP. On the other hand, vinyl’s sound stage remains unbeaten, as the ClearAudio parallel arm. Between vinyl and SACD, I buy SACD. . The authors aren’t saying that high-res digital might sound a little different from Red Book CD but is no better. As noted in my previous post [link], the Forum didn’t want to pay the $. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. Quick links. Yes. Perfect music with one of Mozart’s greatest interpreters with the greatest orchestra. They all sound good but the SACD is sublime. I would be interested to hear what you guys think as well!Maybe I should have included the current MOFI SACD & vinyl. CD: SACD’s high resolution and dynamic range typically exceed those of standard CDs, resulting in a potentially more detailed and accurate listening experience. There's no real difference between the sound characteristics of vinyl, SACD or CD. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. meatballz. vinyl, I don't have vinyl so can't really tell. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. Native DSD64 (SACD) is better still and DSD128 recordings are amazingly good. This is the SACD that was recommended by Steve and it is the best I've heard so far. They actually already did this when comparing SACD vs. 8224 MHz (64 times that of CD) Bit Depth: 1-bit (compared to CD’s 16-bit) Channels: Multi-channel (up to 6) and stereo Storage Capacity: Typically 4. The data is read by a laser, and then decoded to produce audio playback. But don't have YesSongs on disc (have it on original vinyl only). That depends on what you are looking for. CD vs. Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist. Hopefully this will give you some ability to make a fairly knowledgeable leap to make the album purchase one way or another. 98. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. Super Audio CD (SACD) is an optical disc format for audio storage introduced in 1999. SACD Players SACD stands for Super Audio CD. it's stickly limited to 7500 copies. Vinyl. On September 16th Analogue Productions announced they will reissue the entire ABC/MCA Records Steely Dan catalog on SACD, and 45rpm UHQR LP, beginning November 4th with their debut album Can't Buy A Thrill, now in its 50th anniversary year. So I did. I first got into Dylan right before all the Sony Sacds came out, and bought them all up. Menu. The SACD versions bring the best of the digital versions with the MOFI SACD followed by the 1999 SACD. Both sound great but I only want to keep one. When I got my better audio system I bought a dedicated two channel Sony SCD-1 player. I think my buying strategy just morphed into buying a few LPs which I really want and then stocking up on the less expensive SACDs, particularly if the. Audiogon The world's largest high-end audio community. By Kimo January 22, 2012 in General Forum. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. I would rank each. When it comes to listening to music, there are two main formats that audiophiles swear by: SACD players and vinyl. Then I bought the new SACD version. Boy, what a difference. . Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. No other version other than their double 45 rpm vinyl (also mediocre) sounds like this. I've noticed a surfeit in the cost and availability of SACD's - prices are really cheap for some top notch music, often recorded in Europe with the cost for many disks below $12- with shipping no less! I'm in the process of digitizing my vinyl along with ripping hundreds of CD's to my Mac, but I also like playing a. Just trust your ears, as I do mine. . Dylan 'Desire' MFSL SACD and vinyl* Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Jack White, Aug 2, 2013. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. Mine arrived earlier this afternoon (GMT +8), along with Paranoid and Who's Next. . However, play the SACD mono mix (or Sundazed mono vinyl-whatever you've got) on a half decent stereo system today and all the heavy compression, notch EQ-ing, and tricks he had to pull are exposed: the vocals are generally cranked up, that tambourine is really loud, and Crosby's rhythm guitar is generally buried in the mix. A Secret Lab. Recent MoFi controversy spurred me to compare sound of MoFi Vinyl to CD, SACD to CD, DSD to FLAC. I don't know which is more truthful. In the end it really comes down to the transfer and the mastering. Every time. Dynamics are out of this world. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. More sharing options. The MoFi vinyl is a real eye-opener. Also note that the CD vs Vinyl, or Digital vs Analog is a pointless debate because it is not the format that compromises music, it is the content. I like SACD as a format, but it's kind of pointless for me when nothing I listen to is on it, and the few things that may peak my interest (i. Get the DCC Gold CD of the Platinum-SHM mastering. I do have an unwrapped Cramberries (best of) SHM CD with me. . Bluebook The right price. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. SACD (white) vs Bluray (blue) The pressing quality of 2022 vinyl is not always perfect, but often a wash will solve the problem. . "No matter how high a sampling rate is," Wired's. Nirvana MTV Unplugged In New York (25th Anniv) (2019 Vinyl DGC B0029512-01) Nirvana MTV Unplugged In New York (Vinyl HR 180G) Paul. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. I run through a comparison review about this subject today. I own the Nautalus half-speed master from the 70's and owned the SACD. I don't know which is more truthful. Consequently, the Super Audio CD (SACD) was developed by Philips and Sony. 1:17 - Stereo CD Layer4. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. And it was a very close match with the vinyl barely winning the battle. Which format do you like the most, or find to be the closest to the original master tapes? Or, if you attend live concerts (or play and instrument), which format do you prefer and why? wenterprisesnw 02-04-2000 7:53pm. Following a change in how Billboard counts sales in 2009, it re-entered the chart and has since appeared for over 900 weeks. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. Vinyl. I’ll explain in a minute, but first I want to make sure we know what the SACD format is, and what makes it different from a standard compact disc. The separation between the left and right channels on vinyl is 30dB, compared to digital files, which exceed 90 dB. Both formats have their own unique advantages and disadvantages, so it can be tough to decide which one is right for you. From the sound’s point of view, there is always a difference between SACD and the regular cd, but that left apart, usually XRCDs are sounding much better than. The RCA CD of Respighi’s Pines of Rome opens with a wall of sound plastered along the frontal plane of the speakers. 10/disc royalty for CDs. Please, bear in mind that I have NO original vinyls to compare to, only the early CDs of Shake It Up and Greatest Hits: 1) Shake It Up - the worse pressing from the three. I have SACD that beats my vinyl and vice versa. The MoFi also has surface noise,while the Abkco vinyl is near silent. This one is the best sounding by far. Vinyl Box Sets Numbered Limited Edition UltraDisc One-Step 45rpm SuperVinyl 2LP Box Set AMOBUD 028 $124. Updated on January 6, 2021 Although pre-recorded CDs have lost luster with the convenience of digital music streaming and downloads, the CD started the digital music. SACD vs. Sign in with Google Even the standard redbook CD (44kHz, 16 bit resolution) has about a 26dB advantage to vinyl with respect to dynamic range, and at least a 40-50 dB advantage in stereo separation as well as unmeasurable wow and flutter. SACD is a very nice addition if you maintain a decent stationary rig anyway. It's very difficult to set up a direct A/B comparison between SACD and CD. Limited Edition Numbered SACD CMOB 2260 SA $29. 0:39 - Stereo SACD Layer3. Claus , Feb 11, 2015 So, my completely subjective vote will go for DVD-A (or SACD). DJM first pressing vinyl from the UK best of all media. The latest in this long history is a double-blind test that, the authors conclude, demonstrates that 44. To finish with the digital versions, the version in 360 (RA) Reality Audio brings a great rendering. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. I don't know which is more truthful. Im just wondering when? Menu. Weirdly, the reviewer concluded that Vinyl is superior to SACD/DVD-A. I can see how people still prefer vinyl over any other digital format, but this is most likely more subjective (vinyl has a special sound which is nice, no doubt). I see a trend, and I tend to do this myself, looking for older "original" cd releases of stuff if there are one or multiple re-masters available today. cporcp, Jun 28, 2021 #7. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. Not that the SACD doesn't sound really good. It came as a total shock to me, since I heard so many people claim that SACD is mostly an overkill for the human ear. The SACD versions bring the best of the digital versions with the MOFI SACD followed by the 1999 SACD. Vinyl does not always trounce digital. Quick links. Headquartered in Salina, Kansas, Acoustic Sounds, Inc. Animals is a concept album, focusing on the social-political conditions of mid-1970s Britain, and was a change from the style of the band's earlier work. A well-done SACD can sound incredible and can give more detail than an LP. Sounded most balanced, less bright, more "analog". I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. I compared the 2003 SACD and the Mofi: the noise is certainly clearer on the Mofi, but it's present on the 2003. . Vinyl. S. The Rhino and Audio Fidelity releases are the same mix, but different masterings. 11-16-2011 at 02:28pm. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. . To address a few questions; there are two seperate series, stereo and Mono in the Prestige SACD series, each with unique titles. swanlee, Dec 8, 2012. I'm generally rather selective about my SACD purchases and onl. One is the MFSL version which I loved. SACD vs. In 1973, the Best Of The Doors compilation album was issued on quadraphonic LP, 8-track, and reel formats. At current SACD and vinyl reissue prices I sure do. Packaging: Nicest packaging and faithful reproduction of the original album. Might as well jump: Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab has announced that Van Halen's first six multi-platinum albums originally released on the Warner Bros. Madman Across the Water SACD vs CD vs LP. If you want to try SACD on a budget (relatively), the Sony UBP-X800M2 Blu-Ray player plays SACDs (as well as DVD Audio, which does high-res surround). Should I buy the Deluxe edition for my Blu ray player that plays SACD or buy the Vinyl for an actual Vinyl player I would have to buy. 3) S/T Dire Straits - sounded good, but a bit underwhelming. Szeppelin75, Nov 7, 2016. The album features classics such as "Spanish Castle Magic," "Little Wing," "Castles Made Of Sand,". In fact, it's a good sign that the music isn't overly compressed. Thread starter mosttoysrk; Start date Sep 25, 2007; Help Support MartinLogan Audio Owners Forum:. IMHO. SACD VS Vinyl for Jazz and Classical Well, I've been thinking of getting into vinyl for a while now but still haven't done it. Similar to what I notice. I have most of the recordings you mention and they're all great. By meatballz August 2, 2011 in General Hi-Fi Discussion. Vinyl. Examples: AcousticSounds offers 1,614 titles on SACD and 28,670 on vinyl. Even on masterings I'm not all that happy with, the deep soundstage is there. . " CD or SACD vs Vinyl. Vinyl, ASL AQ-1005 DT vs. So here the thing, i've listen to both Vinyl's CD's and SACD's im trying to see if there's really difference. In other forum in Madrid we have carried out the test with the Stereophile material and I'm anxious to know if yo have done the same overhere and what results you have obtained. Between vinyl and SACD, I buy SACD. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. This setup would be more flexible and cheaper overall. Tell me what you think, do you prefer SACD's or Vinyls because they sound the same to me, only you get the 5. They are not cheap but not the most expensive of the DCC discs. I voted 'Who Cares. SACD vs. Quick links. Luke theorizes that the 2003 SACD and the MFSL were sourced from an LP cutting master and that the original master mixes were used on the Biograph and GHII remasters. 192 is significantly better and DXD (352) is even better. My sony bdps590 sacd output in lcpm to my AVR sounds different to my Cambridge audio dvd89 analogue out and foobar2000 lcpm out. . I'm getting older so no longer hear above 16kHz, so that means 320 kbps mp3 is pretty much transparent to me, as well as v0 vbr mp3. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. I prefer digital (CD, SACD, DVD-A, BDA) but not into streaming - trying to collect the band's material on disc (especially the 70s/80s era stuff). Multi. I personally wouldn't get either. The string attack, decay, soundstage, and imaging are way ahead of the SACD. If. Deeper fuller sound across the board. SACD vs. Bluntness acknowledged as you being quite passionate, or convinced that the 20th anniversary SACD version is poor at best It was actually the first SACD I bought many years ago, even without owning an SACD capable player at the time. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. SACD vs. Not a fair comparison. K. Well, the NS500V has been burning in for about 60 hours now (the SACD demo disk on infinite repeat), so I figured I'd do a comparison to our aging. CD. The standard CD format is a 2-channel, 16-bit, 44. Page 7 of 10 < Prev 1. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. There are more albums where I compared against a standard CD. The category "Outstanding" doesn't mean audiophile sound, but outstanding quality compared to original pressings. The album was developed from a collection of unrelated. They pretty much mirror each other in my opinion. As an example, I have Norah Jones - Come Away With Me SACD hybrid and vinyl, but later I found out the SACD version I have was mastered from redbook (wrongly done by Sony. It may still. 98 $19. The only significant differences are in noise. SACD has a higher bit rate and uses a different encoding method from Vinyl to capture and reproduce more audio information. About 2 years ago, I decided to get back into vinyl. . New items New comments Author list Series Latest content Latest updates Latest reviews. I chose Mono because these titles interested me the most. disc duplication: The Indie Music Minute. Alan Blumlien of EMI in the 1930’s patented analog stereo, to be first used on. Singles 1969-1973 has a re-record or two, a little remixing, and other touches. Yesterday I received a Holiday Specials brochure from Music Direct and on the back cover is the 2LP vinyl set that Ralphie discussed in his post HERE. They compared the two channel mix. Usually, more attention was paid to the mastering of 50s and 60s LPs and currently, SACDs. Vinyl. On the other hand, Vinyl records have a larger dynamic range than SACDs, which means that they can accurately reproduce louder and softer sounds. I cant tell the difference with the CD's as they dont have as much range and clarity as the other 2. 49:Personally I am fine with well mastered hi res digital. With respect to SACD vs. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. Vinyl. BD Pure Audio is basically the same as DVD-A except it's encoded to 96/24. I’ve already evaluated Grundman’s mastering of Can’t Buy a Thrill in a Mini-TBVO on my blog, and I plan to evaluate every AP remaster as part of a mini or full. But again, I'd love to be proven wrong. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. CCR SACD vs new vinyl. 8224. Rolling Stone 500 Greatest Albums of All Time — rated 30/500! " Are You Experienced appeared in the U. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. I'm generally rather selective about my SACD purchases and only have about 25-30SACD recordings now although I plan to order a lot more as more and more reissues come out. Virtual Systems Let the world see what you've built. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Under perfect circumstances, SACD provides an incremental improvement over CD. When Analogue Productions announced it would be releasing Bernie Grundman-mastered versions of the complete Steely Dan catalog on vinyl and SACD, audiophiles rejoiced. Sonos does not likely play DSD. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. Quote: Originally posted by kelly jopi The largest problem I have with these subjective opinions is that rarely are both the SACD player and the turntable system of equal quality. Better than vinyl, better than reel-to-reel, better than CD and even better than DVD-Audio. all on Hybrid Multichannel SACD, in a special edition box set limited to 2,500 numbered copies! Also available as 45 RPM double LPs in a box set. I'm generally rather selective about my SACD purchases and only have about 25-30SACD recordings now although I plan to order a lot more as more and more reissues come out. I found pretty cheap options in my local stores with used items: DVD player - Philips DVD-SACD 763SA (has SACD support) SACD player - SONY SCD-XE670. If you're a big classical/jazz listener, SACD is completely worth it. If the OP wastes money on those with no SACD player, then he wastes money. SACD vs. Sign in with Twitter. However, we find a significant variation of the levels of the top of the spectrum (above 15 kHz) due to an equalization or to the burning head (red zone). I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. Vinyl is an analog storage medium, which means there is a physical record of the music imprinted. Record labels. of the Dark Side of the Moon, is NOT good sonically. Next. What i meant was,as a whole,sacd recordings are good wheres dvd-audio recordings are a hit-and-miss. Shawn, Dec 8, 2012. SHM-SACD vs original CD (WB), vs original vinyl (WB) I first cleaned each vinyl LP on my NG 1. ”. The gap. Tommyboy, May 30, 2020. Wave 8 Primary equipment used: AKG K1000/ASL AQ-1005 DT/ASL Wave 8/Marantz SA8260 SACD player Stax Classic System II/Music Hall MMF-5 Turntable/Creek OBH-8 (This thread is multiple forum-spanning, I just chose. Redbook back in the day. SACD vs. Like the DVD, SACD was a dual-layer format, but instead of one or two high-density layers, the SACD could have a high-density layer and a CD-compatible layer, so the. g. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. I grew up in the analogue days (vinyl and tape) so tape hiss is to be expected on recordings. This gives vinyl a far more limited soundstage compared to its digital counterpart. Moody Blues "Question of bal. Both formats offer unique qualities that appeal to discerning music enthusiasts, and the choice between them often comes down to personal preference and the pursuit of sonic perfection. Tiny imperfections in the belts or wheels of the turntable will cause more. If that makes sense. For many multi-channel enthusiasts the answer is yes, because that is what they care about most. I like both; but am buying more hi-q vinyl than SACD, DVD-A, or HDCD simply because remastered 180g vinyl is easier to find in the genres I listen to: Rock, alt. The "Mastertape" version though more detailed and seemingly purer sounds flatter in eq. CD has a tint. It's a euphonic medium to me, at the end of the day. SteelyTom likes this. just WAY better than either the Blu-Spec CD or regular CD. Probably the highest quality classical recording I own. I am intrigued by it but don't know if it would really give me any better quality for some recordings than what I already have. SACD vs. One is the MFSL version which I loved. well i'd say you have to take it on a title by title basis with SACD, as with any medium source and mastering are key. The MoFi absolutely kills the Sony. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. net (24. I keep reading that the vinyl setup is much better, but that is not my experience. The quantization noise floor for 16-bit digital audio (the CD standard) is -96 dB, each bit yielding 6 dB of headroom between the noise floor and the ceiling. I've got a pretty good setup for vinyl and digital audio files, but I have an opportunity to get a "minty" 10-yr old audiophile-grade CD/SACD player for $350. I would think that the Vinyl will sound better than the standard CD. Midrange is sweet. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. While the standard CD format is tied to a 44. It is a high-resolution digital. DVD-Audio vs Vinyl vs. I've heard to the contrary, that the QUAD version. Plan9 Mastering Engineer. Even as a purist I am very happy with the results. If you like SACDs, the 2004 reissue of Relaxin’ by the Miles Davis Quintet sounds equally fantastic, albeit a little different with a. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. KeithH Success With Honor. This music does not sound shrill in the concert hall, and it doesn’t here. SACD vs. I prefer the SACD. On the Analogue Productions SACD,. Location: KC Chiefs Kingdom. Vinyl. Tony Plachy, Jan 7, 2015. The best of both worlds is vinyl ripped on a very high end rig in High res and then converted to DSD. . SACD has a higher bit rate and uses a different encoding method from Vinyl to capture and reproduce more audio information. Vinyl depends on a mechanically driven system, and any such system will introduce minute changes in the speed and pitch of playback. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. After purchasing The Cars S/T, Candy-O, and Shake It Up on MFSL vinyl, here are my thoughts. SACD sure isn't growing but Analogue Productions, MFSL, Refefence Recordings and Universal/Sony out of Japan/HK continue to release new albums on SACD. Here are my impressions. SACD obviously has an advantage on portability and probably overall SQ - but that's still subjective as I might enjoy the "colorization" of vinyl more. I own the SHM-SACD of Who's Next along with CD's mastered by Doug Sax & our host. 2. On the other hand digital has advantages in terms of low noise, low distortion etc so if you value that more,. It's very difficult to set up a direct A/B comparison between SACD and CD. They are very. This is the average EQ of the first track, Tears of Rage. Well as I might have expected the SACD was the best. Often times, the differences can seem quite small upon initial comparison, for example, the Beatles remasters in 24 bit vs. SACD is a very nice addition if you maintain a decent stationary rig anyway. November 4th for CBAT. sacd vs other formats IGNORED sacd vs other formats.